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FB, Belle Jac enquiry.

Post by Bertieone » 03 Sep 2019 10:11

Maria Donaghy.

I thought it was worthwhile taking a punt on this 1857 marriage,

Thomas White
Maria Donohough
Liverpool, 1857, March Qtr, 8b 374,
Further info, Reg office or Registrar Attended.

No children are registered to the above combination immediately after, which may suggest they left the country.
For John White, no registration for variations of the name, Donaghy, Donohough, etc.

I've no idea what Maria's fathers name was, so this may be dismissed, with naming her son John, possibly her son named after her father?

This marriage is very likely to be the registered marriage above, another variation of the name that produced no children.

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Post by MaryA » 04 Sep 2019 08:58

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can you thank your friend pls. I'm not sure if this is my Maria but definitely worth a further look for me. Her farther was Owen Donaghy. Thanks again.
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Post by Bertieone » 04 Sep 2019 09:47

Thanks Mary,
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Post by Bertieone » 06 Sep 2019 07:54

I know Belle Jac considers Owen Donaghy was the father of Maria Donaghy, I don't know if this is nailed on or there is an element of doubt.

The initial enquiry was for a White/Donaghy marriage, further to the marriage I posted, granted different father.

Below a baptism for Peter John White, parents, Thomas White, Maria (variation of Donaghy?) Godparents, Terrence Riley, Anna Nolan.

The 1851 census for Maria Doneghy (Donaghy), Mary Doneghy, Peter Doneghy. and visitors, Riley's
HO107 P2190 F324 Page19

There isn't a registered death for Peter John before Maria travelled to Oz in 1860 and no sign for him or the parents, 1861 census.

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Post by Belle Jac » 08 Sep 2019 02:22

Thank you Bert so much for finding this, I have spent the weekend trying to figure this out as I believe this is my Maria and her son's Baptism also. here is what I have found: that the Joannis in Irish Gaelic is Eoghan or Eóin, which is Owen. So I do think you have found my missing Maria marriage. Somewhere along the line someone recorded her husband as John when in fact it appears it's Thomas. Maria's mothers maiden name was Riley so Terence Riley must be related. Maria is recorded as a Matron when she immigrants and the ship leaves Liverpool on December 10th 1859. Her son is recorded as age 1. With no mention of any husband, so now I will try to find any death record of him in Liverpool. Again much appreciation for your efforts.

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Post by Bertieone » 08 Sep 2019 05:51

Hi Belle and welcome to the forum,

Excellent and very clever, something I never thought of "Irish Gaelic" well done.

There's 3 registered deaths between 1857/1860 in a possible age group,

Thomas White,

Liverpool, 1858, age 49, Sept Qtr, 8b 71, Buried, Sept 1, Walton Park, Address, 20 Cherry Lane.

Liverpool, 1860, age 49, March Qtr, 8b 88, Edit, 65 Fontenoy st, Widow, Ann White and family.

West Derby, 1858, age 38, March Qtr, 8b 335, Edit, Buried, Walton on the hill, March 9, same day as Jane White, age 36. recorded next to each other.

No doubt you have checked the possibility he went out to Oz in advance of the family?
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Post by Bertieone » 10 Sep 2019 06:45

As we don't know anything of Thomas White's age, occupation or place of birth, I wonder, Reily connection?

1851 census,
HO107 P2177 F259 P53.

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Post by Belle Jac » 10 Sep 2019 12:28

Thank you for the welcome. I think I'm going to give no 1 a go I think first. I think I'll try him.
I am going to go back and retry finding now thomas in "Oz" here too because I have been searching for a John. Thanks again

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Post by Bertieone » 10 Sep 2019 16:34

Belle Jac,

The other question you asked elsewhere,

1851 map of Blackfield Terrace, the long dark shaded building opposite will be the rope works, that's how they were, buildings of good length.

The 1861 census has G B Richardson, Great Mersey St, Rope Manufacturer, employer of ?Men and ?Boys, if not the owner in 1851, very likely the owner of that particular rope works later.

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Post by Belle Jac » 10 Sep 2019 21:59

That's magnificent, thank you thank you!!Michael in the 1851 census states he employed 2 men and 10 boys. Once he comes to Australia he builds the longest rope walk in the Southern Hemisphere, the factory has long since closed and been demolished but the rope walk is heritage protected. I did a bit of looking at Terence Riley as sometimes you need to go sideward to go back. I'll do some more tonight after work.

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Post by MaryA » 11 Sep 2019 09:14

I'm so pleased you joined our forum and what a lovely lot of information you have gleaned to add to your research, well done Bert!
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Post by Belle Jac » 15 Sep 2019 22:24

Bertieone

Bert you have already gave me so much assistance but Can I ask for your help once again, if you have time please, to decipher the marriage certificate of Maria and thomas white, I'm stuck on the Christian name of Thomas' father and same on male witness. Thank you

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Post by Bertieone » 16 Sep 2019 05:07

Hi Belle,

I read as, father, Georgius/George and witness, Gulielmus/William.
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Post by Belle Jac » 16 Sep 2019 09:16

Thank you, you are fantastic

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