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Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Kryzta » 15 May 2019 15:22

I'm looking for marriages and/or 1881 census for Sarah Ann. Possible death for John Edward Wright.

Sarah Ann born sometime in the 1860's, maybe.
Married William Coleman about 1878ish, Can't find a marriage
Can't find them on the 1881 census.
They had 5 kids, mmn, Jackson.

William Edward b 1878, John Thomas b 1880, James b 1882, Agnes Ann b 1884, Isaac b 1887.

William died Jul-Sep 1887.

1891
John Edward Wright, head, 24, paper hanger
Sarah Ann Wright, wife, 32
Margaret Ellen Wright, daughter, 0
John Thomas Coleman, stepson, 11
James Coleman, stepson, 9
Agnes Coleman, stepdaughter, 6
Isaac Coleman, stepson, 4
piece/folio 2952/ 4. reg RG12. page 2

Again not finding a marriage for Sarah Ann.
Margaret Ellen Wright, b1891, mmn Jackson.
Not finding a death for John Edward.
Still not finding a marriage for Sarah Ann.

1901 census
Thomas Johnson, head, m 37, dock labourer
Sarah Ann Johnson, wife, 39
Agnes Johnson, daughter, 16
Margaret Johnson, daughter, 9
Joseph Johnson, son, 3
John James, son 3 months.
all born Liverpool Lancashire
15 Page St, Liverpool

1911 census (possible codswallop)
Thomas Johnson, head, 43, Dock Labourer, All born Liverpool.
Sarah Ann Johnson, wife, 45,
Margaret Johnson, daughter, 20, charwoman
Joseph Johnson, son, 13, scholor
John Johnson, son, 10, scholor
106 Gordon Street, Liverpool.
Married 22 years, 7 kids born, 4 living, 3 died

Sarah Ann died between 1911 and 1939 (still working on this bit)

1939 reg
Thomas Johnson, b 3 May 1870, w, dock Worker
James Johnson, b 9 Feb 1901, M, dock worker (John James wrote in green)
Elizabeth Johnson, b 23 Mar 1910, m
closed
closed
closed
Joseph Johnson, b 24 May 1897, s, dock worker
23 Ellison Street, Liverpool

Thomas is my great grandad's half brother. I'm trying to fill in the blanks, before the easter weekend free, the last I had on him was the 1881 census. Then I found him on the 39 reg, so this is all working back from that. TIA
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Bertieone » 15 May 2019 19:50

It might be posted in bits and pieces as I come across the info,

William Henry Jackson married Sarah Simon, 1857, Liverpool.

daughter, Sarah Ann Jackson, born 1857, Liverpool, 8b 16, mmn, Simon.

Widow, Sarah Jackson married Thomas Forsyth, 1869, Liverpool.

1871 census, Thomas and Sarah Forsyth have a Sarah Ann Forsyth living with them aged 13.

The 1881 census, Thomas and Sarah Forsyth have a 3 year old grandson with them, William Coleman.

EDIT, TYPO, William Henry not William Edward.
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Kryzta » 15 May 2019 20:05

Thanks Bert. Any info is appreciated. It's taken me a few weeks to find Agnes's birth, and put what I have into place.

I found William Coleman on the 1881 census with grandparents, but dismissed it as the name Forsyth hadn't shown up.
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Bertieone » 16 May 2019 07:31

As unlikely as it may seem, I'm beginning to think Sarah Ann never married, just used the names of the men she partnered with.
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Bertieone » 16 May 2019 10:39

It looks like John Wright and Sarah only had one child together, may be worthwhile checking out this death,


Name:
John Wright
Estimated birth year:
abt 1867
Registration Year:
1891
Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death:
24
Registration district:
West Derby
8b 230
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Kryzta » 16 May 2019 12:13

Sarah Ann not marrying was beginning to cross my mind. I'd got the name Jackson from her kids with Thomas Johnson, but couldn't find a marriage, but with the age of Agnes, meaning Thomas would have been 15, I thought she'd been married before.
1911 census says her and Thomas have been married 22 years, which put it to 1888/89, but she was with John Wright in 1891, and had Margaret.

I've got a list of newspaper look-ups, so i'll add John Wright to the list.

I think I found the death of her first son John Thomas Coleman last night.
Deaths Sep 1896
Coleman John Thomas 16 W. Derby 8b 205
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Kryzta » 16 May 2019 15:53

Could this be William and Sarah's marriage?
Marriages Jun 1887
COLEMAN William Rowlands W. Derby 8b 555
Holmes Sarah Ann W.Derby 8b 555

The only William and Sarah I can find on the 1891 census are from and in London.
No idea where the Holmes comes from, but as she seems to have lied about her age, a lot, different name doesn't supprise me.
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Bertieone » 16 May 2019 16:22

Looked at and dismissed her yesterday.

Catholic baptism, parents John Holmes and Catherine O'Neil.

Marriage, William Rowlands Coleman, Artist, Father, William Coleman, Equestrian,

can't remember the rest but can look again if need be.
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Kryzta » 16 May 2019 20:36

Unless she got married at some weird place that doesn't show up on the BMD list, it doesn't look like she ever married.
I've tryed every combo, surnames, first names only, different spellings, searched from 1871 - 1939, nothing is showing up on any site. The one above is the closest, and that was a shot in the dark.

Hopefully there'll be somthing in the paper about her death, that will give some info.
Back to the drawing board on that, I've been looking at Sarah's born in the 60's. Wish they wouldn't lie about their ages.

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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Bertieone » 16 May 2019 21:47

I can't say exactly who they are, 1920 Electoral register,

Thomas Johnson, Sarah Ann Johnson, 451 Mill Street.

1925, Electoral register,

Thomas Johnson, 451 Mill Street.

Sarah Ann not being there in 1925 may suggest her demise between 1920 and 1925.

Worth looking into.
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Kryzta » 16 May 2019 22:37

Thanks Bert, you just saved me a headach. I'd already got a list and was starting to eliminate them.
That cuts it down to 3

Deaths Mar 1920
JOHNSON Sarah A 57 W. Derby 8b 736

Deaths Dec 1921
Johnson Sarah A 60 W.Derby 8b 324

Deaths Dec 1923
JOHNSON Sarah A 43 W.Derby 8b 321

The last one i'm going to dismiss, as she was 45 on the 1911 census. The 1921 one is closest to her birth year.
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Kryzta » 16 May 2019 23:45

Found this, sounds intresting.

Prom Our Ow. Citrallaresbat.
Lenton, when the couple lived with his wife's mother and Mater, was to-day remanded ch•rgd with causing the death of the woman. Her name is Sarah Ann Johnson, aged Formally charged, the accused, pale but selfpoisemd. replied. " It's quite correct." Zvidonee
15 September 1921 - Liverpool Echo - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Post by Bertieone » 17 May 2019 06:22

I can't open the above newspaper report, going by other newspaper snippets, it refers to Lenton as a place near Nottingham I think. Sarah Ann Johnson was strangled aged 22. Hopefully someone can open.

The 1921 December registration is likely to be widow, Sarah Ann Johnson, died 9 October 1921, 333 Walton Breck Rd (Probate)
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Bertieone » 17 May 2019 06:54

The Mill St couple may not be them,

1925 Electoral reg,

Ellison St, same address as the 39 register,

Thomas Johnson,
Joseph,
John James

No, Sarah Ann.
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Bertieone » 17 May 2019 08:21

Thank you, Mary.


1920 Elec reg,

Thomas Johnson,
23 Ellison St,

Suggests Sarah Ann died between 1911-1920
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Bertieone » 17 May 2019 08:25

Closest to birth date,


Deaths Dec 1911

Johnson Sarah A 56 W. Derby 8b 543
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Kryzta » 17 May 2019 13:02

Thanks Mary.

I had the same thing Bert, couldn't look at the full newspaper report. I ended up on the Lancashire library site, but they don't have the Echo. But they do have a nice thing where you can search BMD's realy easy, then I got distracted when I found Hardman Earle's funeral and death. (My hometown is Earlestown, which is named after him)


I was looking for deaths between 1920 and 25.
That 1911 one I didn't put on the list to check at the library, as I was looking for 1860's births.
So there's 3 deaths between 1911 and 1920 in West Derby, and 1 in Liverpool, who I think is to young.
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Post by MaryA » 17 May 2019 15:27

Unfortunately I think the Lancashire Library site only goes up to 1900.

I think if you are going to the library it might be that cemeteries will be the place to search, if you can find the burials they might give a clue to addresses. Obits of course also, but lacking more specific detail you might be searching the deaths in the newspaper for 3 months.
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Re: Sarah Ann Jackson, Coleman, Wright, Johnson

Post by Kryzta » 17 May 2019 18:37

Yeah Mary, 1900 is the last date for Lancashire library.
Liverpool Daily Post, 11 June 1855 - 31 Dec 1867
Liverpool Mercury, 5 July 1811 - 31 Dec 1900

I did find Thomas's dads death in the paper.

I've already checked the burial links on the Liverpool FS page, of course the years I want you have to go to a FS center (I have found a few burials though), or the library.
Going through months of papers doesn't bother me, i've done it a few times, found a couple of intresting things along the way. Most papers tend to put things on the same page, so once you work out the page number, you can pretty much skip to that page in each issue, but, saying that, i'm liking being able to go straight to BMD's on the LL site.
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